i think that if obama has to start a second term with everybody saying, oh my gosh, the sky is falling, the economy is going to hell, then consumer confidence thinking, that's not good news for democrats, so why would you think it's good news for democrats? >> because you just sounded like a republican. >> oh sclop! get out of here. >> you're saying that hurts the party. welcome to the republican party. >> rags nam people say that's not a good thing to do. i would hope that rationality before new year's eve would land like an alien rocket ship in washington and get these people to the table. >> alice, you're sane, i believe. what do you make of this? the point i'm trying to make is, why the democrats scared of the fiscal cliff when it defines, basically, their ultimate dream. >> the democrats are anxious, they're embracing the fiscal cliff. we have obama and democrats in the convertible thunderbird ready to put the pedal to the metal on the fiscal cliff. they can cut taxes, spending, and blame the gop. the gop is doing the smart thing and pointing the finger at the real problem, which